cots under medicare and medicare in a speeerious way, b we're going to also need revenue. we kind of settle on the big question, how much government are we going to have, and how are we going to pay for it, then a lot of the other stuff falls into place. >> can you get medicare done? >> i think we can. >> because republicans demagogue it. democrats demagogue it. everybody's demagogued it through the years. can you go to the republicans and say, guys, we've got to do this together. >> well, here's what we can do. look, i'm on record, i think turning it into a voucher is a bad idea. i do think, though, that anybody realistically looks at it and says, if we're spending 17% of our gdp on health care and every other country's spending 11% and their outcomes are better, that difference is 6%, that's our deficit and our debt. and so let's find good ideas -- now, i stole a whole bunch of ideas from a massachusetts governor that i think over time is going to save us money. the $716 billion that governor romney suggests i stole from medicare actually is money that we are saving in the syste
